Joe Jukic and Nelly Furtado Dialogue
Joe: Nelly, I’ve been thinking… you should run for mayor of Victoria. You’ve got the charisma, the voice, the roots. People there would actually listen to you. And after you win, you endorse me for mayor of Vancouver. Two cities, side by side, like twin engines.
Nelly: laughs softly Joe, you make it sound like we’re building an empire. Why Victoria first?
Joe: Because in Civilization II, you can win the entire game with just one city if you play it right. You don’t need a whole continent, just focus, strategy, and vision. But imagine this — if we had two cities, Victoria and Vancouver, working together, it’s like running two parallel engines on one ship.
Nelly: You’re talking like a general again. Or maybe a dreamer.
Joe: Exactly — a dreamer with blueprints. In Civ II, the real win condition isn’t just conquest. It’s building a spaceship and leaving Earth behind. That’s what I want us to do politically — not fight for scraps, but point people toward the stars.
Nelly: So what are you saying, Joe? That mayors could build a spaceship?
Joe: Why not? Right now, Putin and Trump are sitting on stockpiles of nuclear missiles. Everyone fears them because they’re weapons of annihilation. But if we contracted those missiles out — converted the engines, swapped warheads for space modules — we’d be halfway to Mars.
Nelly: shaking her head with a smile Only you would think of turning World War III into a space program.
Joe: That’s the thing, Nelly. It’s not just about politics, it’s about imagination. Instead of two cities being pawns in someone else’s game, Victoria and Vancouver could be the launchpads of a new future.
Nelly: And you think people would follow that vision?
Joe: They followed Kennedy when he said we’d land on the moon. Why not us? The only difference is we’re singing the song of hope in one city, and coding the spaceship in the other.
Nelly: pauses, thoughtful So, mayor of Victoria, mayor of Vancouver… a two-city alliance for the stars.
Joe: Exactly. That’s how you win Civilization.